Podcast Episode
Rewiring the Brain After Trauma: Insight & Healing with Jasmina Sabi
In this powerful episode of Overcome: A Mental Health Podcast, we explore what it truly means to rewire the brain after trauma. Jasmina Sabi, author of Am I Thinking Correctly?, joins Travis for a deep and...
November 24, 2025
Rewiring the Brain After Trauma: Insight & Healing with Jasmina Sabi
In this powerful episode of Overcome: A Mental Health Podcast, we explore what it truly means to rewire the brain after trauma. Jasmina Sabi, author of Am I Thinking Correctly?, joins Travis for a deep and...
Episode Overview
In this powerful episode of Overcome: A Mental Health Podcast, we explore what it truly means to rewire the brain after trauma. Jasmina Sabi, author of Am I Thinking Correctly?, joins Travis for a deep and...
Who This Episode Is For
- Listeners navigating trauma or supporting someone who is.
- People looking for honest, practical mental health conversations instead of surface-level advice.
- Anyone who wants real stories about resilience, healing, and rebuilding after hard seasons.
Guest
Jasmina Sabi
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Transcript
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Hello and welcome to Overcome a Mental Health Podcast.
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I'm your host, Travis White.
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This is a place for you to share your mental health stories.
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I'm very excited for tonight's guest.
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I'm speaking with Yasmina Sabi.
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Yasmina is the author of Am I Thinking Correctly?
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Welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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Really excited to share my journey so far.
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Awesome.
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Well, let's get right into it.
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I'm just going to turn the time right over to you.
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Well, I wrote my book, and am I thinking correctly?
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Based on my childhood, it was really traumatic.
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I think everyone's starting to realize that today.
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Like, my God, that wasn't normal.
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I knew something was wrong, you know?
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Like, that affected me.
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I knew it, you know?
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And so I had gotten to therapy late in my 20s to like, which was the start, I will say, of
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me getting an understanding of my childhood.
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And then I got into therapy again in my early thirties, I'm 34 right now.
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So I believe I was 31 because I remember I was talking to somebody about a healthy
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relationship and they were like, well, how do you know what one looks like?
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And I said, that's actually a really good point.
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I probably should get into therapy.
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And so I had stopped drinking.
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I had lost a bunch of weight.
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I had, I just felt like, okay, I'm in a place where, you know, I'm a healthy person.
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And the person that I fell in love with,
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I was like, how did I not know this person was capable of these actions?
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And I would say that was my real first heartbreak.
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I was late in experiencing my heart getting broken.
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I just always noticed growing up that it seemed as though relationships hindered a lot of
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people or they'd cry or, you you just kind of would see responses to people.
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was like, I don't think I should have.
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Like I would try, but.
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For some reason, I couldn't get past like two or three months with somebody.
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And it was because I had my children.
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So I was like, I don't have time for this.
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Like, I don't know what I'm doing.
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I know I need to keep thinking and figuring it out.
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And when I felt like, okay, I got it all figured out, I'm healthy.
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And when my heart got broken, why this person?
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I was like, what is like, I just, it was like my reality was just so distorted.
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And then it hit me like this is what everybody.
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is either they never recovered from this pain or they were scared of feeling this again.
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And so it helped me understand the world.
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was like, just kind of zoomed out and just was like, there's a big issue going on here
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because I started going through those emotions of, I should just stay with him because at
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least I know what he's capable of.
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I said, that's why women stay with men or men stay with women.
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So it started making sense to me.
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And then I was like, my God, what if I meet somebody else and they're worse than this?
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And I was just like, and then I said, okay, well, I gotta figure out something because it
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like, as I said, it just all made sense to me, just reality overall.
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Like I couldn't think of any pain I seen where I just was like, I understand why that
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person's like that because everyone wants to get back to that newborn feeling.
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When you're a newborn baby, you're held, you're loved.
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And it's like, that's what we're all unconsciously trying to get back to, that love, that
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comfort.
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Like, where am I going to get that from?
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You know, we're all looking for human connection.
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And they say, hey, you don't need human connection.
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You can do it all on your own.
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And I feel like, well, that's something, but I couldn't get past this person because I
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still had to a child with them.
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That's where the challenge came.
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Cause I was like, how do I raise my child to love something I hate?
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And I didn't know how to do that.
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that was, and I remember with my mother and father, my goodness, to this day they still
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fight like cats and dogs.
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But my father was a huge influence in my life.
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Like I would just always think, no, what if he calls me?
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And I did something.
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So it was just the scaredness of my dad calling me that would make me think a little
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harder, you know?
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Cause I'm like, if he calls me, I don't know what's gonna happen.
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And I don't want to hear him say everybody in Africa is crying and so disappointed in you
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because that's what he always says.
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And so I had basically unconsciously started studying this man on like a scientific level.
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And everyone just kept telling me just move on.
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I was like, that's so dumb.
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I'm not going to move on because how did I not know he was capable of?
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breaking my heart.
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How did I not know that?
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How did I not know he had these characteristics?
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Like what is going on inside my brain?
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And I guess I became, I don't know if it's obsessed or what it is, because everyone just
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kept telling me, like, I just don't get why you're still thinking about it.
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It happens.
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And I'm like, I'm not going to normalize this.
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type of life is that?
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was like, I, if I feel this pain again, I don't know if I can like really recover.
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Like it took a lot.
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felt like for me to not
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become one of those people that's under a bridge, or become one of those people that's an
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alcoholic for the rest of their life, or become one of those people that's in the psych
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ward.
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I mean, when I just felt that pain, I just understood this is how people get to this
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broken place, because they felt an unbearable pain.
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Yeah, that's tough.
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it's like, I feel like too many people sometimes like for the long time, it takes a lot to
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like fully understand your partner and your spouse, like whoever it is, and to actually
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get to feel like what really they're capable of and get to really know their full
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characteristics.
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Cause I feel like when you're dating sometimes, like you don't get to see certain sides of
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a person, if that makes sense.
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It takes...
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Yeah, I know what I'm trying to say, but like it takes a while.
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get you, it's, you know, because what it is is they say like, don't trust anybody.
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But when I learned about brain chemistry, neuroscience, psychology, I said, it's not so
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much that I don't trust you.
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I don't know if you know what your brain is capable of.
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That's where I'm at today.
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Do you know what your brain is capable of?
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Because I remember when I had that heartbreak, people always say, man, you hear all the
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time, I don't know why I did that.
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That's always said, I don't know why I did that.
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Like they just can't explain it.
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And I said, how do I put this?
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So at the time I was like, yes, you do.
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You know why you did that.
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Like I was just, know, like everybody else, like you're playing a game, but I never knew
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there was drugs in our brain that influenced our behavior.
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I was like, what the, why isn't this like basic information that everybody should just.
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No, like they try to make it sound cool, like serotonin and dopamine.
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It's like, no, there's drugs in your brain.
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Let's go with heroin, weed, crack, whatever.
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And it influences your behavior and it can suppress your decision-making in order to get
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high.
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That's what's happening.
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that's why it's so important to have a healthy childhood so that your brain knows when to
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release those drugs to influence your behavior.
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I think we're all caught up looking around like, did you have a healthy childhood?
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Did you like, we're all like, what is a healthy childhood?
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And a healthy childhood is learning the child.
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And I don't know who feels like they grew up in.
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My parents took time to learn me.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree.
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It all goes back to your question though.
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What is a healthy childhood?
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Because I think everybody's perspective of that is going to be completely different.
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Oh yeah, when they had that thing, they were trying to pay millions of dollars to get
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their kids in college.
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I'm like, look at this obsession.
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Like, if I'm gonna spend millions of dollars, it's not gonna go to college, because you
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didn't naturally go there.
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So what do you want to do?
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Wouldn't that be a moment to stop there and say, all right, this must not be for you, but
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we're not taught to learn the child.
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Everyone's like, instill these qualities, instill these qualities.
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And I feel like that's why so many people just get older and they're just like so confused
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because you never really had time to exercise your brains.
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And I feel like that the foreigners, feel like foreigners had to use their brain because
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they didn't have so many resources and stuff.
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And that's why you have so many doctors that are foreigners because they're used to using
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their brain, unfortunately, under a lot of stress and unhealthy conditions, but they're
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used to using it.
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Yeah, crazy stuff.
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And as you were exploring, you know, the science behind emotions and pile chemistry and
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that type of stuff, what discoveries surprised you the most in your research?
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that we're on autopilot 90 % of the time.
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I was like, what the, I mean, I'm telling you, like, the thing is I was like going into
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psychosis because of what happened and the situation was so mind-boggling.
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And then discovering all this information, oh my goodness, I was just like, what?
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Like, I was just like, I said, this is why educated people hang out with educated people.
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I swear, it's like all the rules and stuff that you hear in society just started clicking.
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was like, and I was just mind blown.
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And I was like, you know, I had time to study this information.
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And I was like, a lot of people don't have time to study this.
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And I just kept thinking like, okay, I need to speak.
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need to get on platforms and just use myself as an example.
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And it wasn't easy because I was like, my God, what about that one night at band camp?
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That might resurface, you know?
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uh
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But I just said, man, you gotta put that to the side because I was like, they are all
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unconsciously hurting one another because it's not enough people that know this.
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And even if you do know this information, your brain is still gonna adapt to the
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environment.
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Your body's still gonna adapt to the environment.
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you can, so I mean, that happens with educated people.
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Like, I don't know, I mean, everyone's running around.
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I don't know what the heck is happening.
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And so that's why I wrote the book and I was like, I just got to use myself as an example.
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And I was nervous.
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It took a lot of guts because I'm telling you, I was scanning my past like, what about,
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how am gonna get, you know, even though I could say, I was unconscious.
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It was like, well, that can't always be my answer.
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Like, what were you thinking at the time?
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And I had to sit with myself and like, re-go through my whole life with new information.
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And I just had to tell myself, this isn't about me.
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Like, I can take...
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myself and write this book and it's going to help so many people and that's what I had to
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keep telling myself and mainly the children and that's what I kept thinking about the
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kids.
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was like they're so unconscious they aren't they're all hurting the kids.
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I actually did a post on TikTok where I said I can't tell who isn't a Jeffrey Epstein.
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Everyone just has a different style if you ask me.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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it's, and it's like, yeah, that, that, that would be like a conversation.
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Like I could go into that one for hours, but I totally agree with you.
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I'm just mentioning it for thought-provoking because like I said when they were trying to
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pay two million dollars to get their kids in college I'm like boy you're gonna make sure
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that happens like I don't know
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And as you were writing your book, was it more therapeutic to you or was it hard to relive
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your past?
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man, it was hard because I don't consider myself an author, but I was speaking, I was
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doing some research, like what can I do, what can I do?
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And it was saying talk to a literacy agent.
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And I was like, what is that?
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When I was doing research and so when I spoke to the woman, she was telling me about...
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a book and I was like, no, I'm not an author.
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And we ended up talking for almost two hours and she just was like, it's a blueprint.
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And I'm glad she did talk to me because it does make it easier to give something for
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people to reference rather than constantly making videos.
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They might not sit through the whole video, but they got a book where they could take time
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to read it and they can always go back to it.
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But when I was writing it, I just thought, okay, cool, let's go.
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And as I started writing it, I was like, oh, think I'm having flashbacks.
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I was like, okay.
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oh
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emotions was coming up and then I was thinking, my God, I got to reread all that.
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So yeah, it was definitely a challenge.
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Yeah, I can, I can only imagine.
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I, I think it's challenging enough at times when I'm on the podcast and I'm, you know,
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trying to put in my little point of view or tell my little story.
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And it's like, that's hard enough because you have to be really vulnerable.
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And sometimes to get that vulnerability across, it's not the easiest thing.
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I agree.
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I feel like what just helps me is I just remember my childhood and man, I used to just
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think to myself, I wish somebody would come and make her stop.
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Like that's just all I used to think like, my God, I wish somebody would just come and
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make her stop or they would know like she's about to turn into this person.
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They'd say, all right, bye guys.
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And I'm like, my God, they're about to leave us with her.
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That's just all I remember my childhood.
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So whenever I do have those struggles and I just think about my childhood where I just was
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thinking I wish somebody would have came and stopped this and To have a power and even you
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and all these different people talking about mental health it is helping the kids It is
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helping the children where people are becoming more aware like hey, they're looking at
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body language.
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They're looking at tone of voice and
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So it's so important for us that are aware of this too, keep talking about it, because
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there's children that don't have a voice.
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And there's plenty of children, unfortunately, that don't ever make it to a point to be
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able to tell their story.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it's, and it's like here with me, it's like, if I get that one person reaching out to
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me, you, even if it's just one out of the 20 episodes saying, you know what?
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You helped me with something to me, that's enough.
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Oh yeah, oh yeah, it definitely is.
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I made a post on my TikTok and this guy had sent me a message and I made a post where, you
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know, unfortunately the color of our shells is such a big topic.
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And so I had made a post where was like, have white men ever experienced abuse?
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And I said, cause everyone feels like they have been and they just had everything that was
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so golden.
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And I couldn't believe the post went viral.
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I was really shocked that it went like viral.
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there was this one man that messaged me and he said, I was sitting in my car and I heard
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you say that.
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And he said, and I just started, and I thought to myself, somebody cares.
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And he said, I just started breaking down crying.
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And I was like moved.
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And he was like, thank you.
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Like it was like tears of relief.
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Like somebody cares.
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And I was, I was mind blown because I was just like, I didn't know that, you know, like,
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so, so I definitely can understand what you were saying, where you could say something.
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And as you said, cause that one person,
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who knows how powerful their voice is.
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Now they can go tell this person, tell this person, and that's so beautiful.
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And here, from your point of view, how does, like...
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Let's see.
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I'm trying to, okay, let me rephrase this.
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What role do emotions play in our ability to heal or stay stuck?
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I feel like people still can't really understand, like, they get summed up too, because
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that was a bad person, you know, or they just didn't know better.
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And I just feel like with my book, the thing is, what scientists are trying to figure out
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is how to suppress our nature.
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And so you don't want to become susceptible to nature.
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So unfortunately, somebody's hitting you.
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That is a nature response.
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And so I feel like people can understand epigenetics and biochemistry.
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It's like, oh, that's what happened.
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Yes.
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That's why you have all these social structures.
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That's why you have all these different things.
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When people say, what are they trying to distract us from?
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They're trying to make sure we don't go into our nature.
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I mean, humans are more dangerous than lions.
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They have the lions dancing through hula hoops.
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So I just think that we have to, so I think that's not a broad enough understanding of
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a lot of people became susceptible to nature.
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So what they did is a nature response.
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No matter what it is, it is a nature response.
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And I feel like what's going to help people is if, for instance, if a judge says, hey,
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you're going to jail because you didn't tame your nature.
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I think that that would be more powerful in somebody saying, okay, but say, hey, you
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shouldn't have did that.
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You shouldn't have did that.
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That's where everybody keeps getting confused because they're like, they shouldn't have
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did that based on what?
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the research you came up with and like based on what information should they have not done
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that.
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That is their nature.
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Whether people like it or not, it is their nature.
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Everyone has different nature responses.
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Everyone has different animal instincts.
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And I feel like the world is trying to come up with all these things to tell us how to act
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and how to feel.
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And I just think that there needs to be a broad enough awareness of, okay, everyone has
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experienced nature and
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Don't become susceptible to nature.
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So if you feel like, I really want to go over there and see that woman, uh-oh, your
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nature's kicking in.
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Get your ass out the building or tell somebody, hold up, my nature kicking in.
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I need some help.
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You know, conversations like that, I feel like is what is going to help heal.
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to just say you shouldn't experience that, that's why people feel like, I went to therapy
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and so forth because they are still trying to make sense of why did I feel that though?
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But why?
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Yeah, I love it.
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was good stuff.
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Good stuff.
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and thinking back though, like you were, you know, earlier on you were talking about, you
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know, heartbreak and stuff.
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Would you say heartbreak was like the turning point that made you realize that you needed
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to understand yourself more deeply or was there something else?
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It was a quadruple heartbreak because it was the man I was in love with.
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I felt so protected with him.
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There were so many people that was involved in this heartbreak.
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And so what was devastating to me is I had to tell myself, you don't know shit.
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And that was a hard pill to swallow because I'm always like, I'm a very self-aware,
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intelligent person.
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like, I went to therapy.
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I was going to therapy for...
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three years every single week before I met this person.
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So that's what blew my mind even more where I was just thinking, what am I not doing?
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What am I not doing?
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Like I wanted to figure out how did they all formulate this?
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Why did they think that was okay?
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And people wanted to sum it up to me like, because this person's older.
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I'm like, I don't give a shit about none of that.
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Are you telling me if I was a judge, I wouldn't have felt this pain?
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Like who do I have to be to tell me that I wouldn't have felt this?
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And that's when I was like, there's a much deeper issue.
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And I feel like what pissed me off even further is I tried to watch some TV, like, you
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know what, let's relax, let's turn on some TV.
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And I just saw TV different.
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I saw these people cheating and I think they were smiling.
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And I was like, are they trying to tell me I should be smiling about this pain?
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And I was just like, no, I shouldn't have felt that.
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That's all I kept telling myself.
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And so based on all the research I've done, is...
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I'm sorry.
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Pain is to send a shock to your body and mind to help you come to consciousness.
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But pain has been so normalized.
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It's been normalized since the beginning of time.
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Like, you're supposed to feel pain.
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We go around and tell our children, you're gonna feel pain.
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That doesn't sound like a goddamn spell.
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Why are we walking around telling each other, you're gonna feel pain?
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Pain is out there.
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Pain is coming.
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Like, we gotta stop.
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Imagine if we were telling each other, no, you shouldn't feel pain.
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If we just simply start it there, you should not be feeling pain.
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That is not normal.
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It'll make people think.
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Yeah.
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And I feel like we normalize a lot of the stuff that's honestly not good for us.
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you know, you say pain and right away my mind kind of goes to like some of the foods we
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eat.
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that type of stuff.
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Like we normalize it all.
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You know why?
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Because everyone wants to tell you how to eat.
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That's another thing.
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Everyone wants to tell you how you should be operating.
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Like with my son, for instance, he takes 20 minutes to eat his food.
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One day I thought something was wrong with him.
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said, why are you taking so long?
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And he said, because one time I ate really fast and my stomach was hurting.
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So I just realized I need to slow down.
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A lot of us adults probably, we probably know that.
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And so when I did some research, it said it should take 20 minutes to complete a meal.
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And I was like, huh?
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That like blew my mind, but then my daughter, eats every two hours.
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And I was thinking like, boy, this kid's always eating, like, but she's like, I don't like
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heavy food on my stomach.
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And she went into detail and I was thinking like, what's my eating like?
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And so I feel like we don't really sit with ourself enough to believe that our body will
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tell us what to do.
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Our mind will tell us what to do.
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So we're looking to, like I had this one workout I was doing and I was paying $200 a
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month.
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And I wasn't losing any weight and I was like, my gosh, like I got up to 185 pounds.
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And I was just like, why am I spending so much and not losing weight?
21:28
And just one day I remember I sat with my body and it's like, your body's under so much
21:28
stress and high hormones, cause I'm a single mom with three kids.
21:36
And it was like, you need something that's like relaxing.
21:39
And it was like, just walk up and down your hill.
21:43
And my God, I had lost like 10 pounds and that didn't cost me anything.
21:48
So we have to really sit with ourself and say what works for us.
21:51
Cause somebody's always going to walk up to you and everyone is going around teaching each
21:51
other, other people's ideas, people they don't even know.
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Yeah, that's so true.
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And I like what you said there.
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If you listen to your body, like your body's going to tell you, you know, your body better
22:03
than the doctor or anybody else.
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And I think back to, so last year I was having some medical issues and these medical
22:09
issues have been going on for a long time.
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Anyways, long story short, like the doctor said you probably should change your diet.
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I changed my diet.
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most medical issues went away and I lost like 40 pounds in the matter of three months.
22:31
And I was like, I was like, holy hell, like why didn't anybody tell me to eat differently
22:31
before?
22:37
Because I know because we're just like, you know, we're on autopilot, that's why.
22:44
Because we're on autopilot 90 % of the time and we're just like walking around, just
22:44
moving through and moving through and we don't really stop and say, hold on to come to
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consciousness.
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Yeah.
22:56
And I, that like really struck me though, when you back earlier, when you mentioned we
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were on autopilot 90 % of the time, because it got me thinking like, you know what?
23:06
Now that you say that, like makes a lot of sense in my brain to why I do things the way I
23:06
do things and why I don't stop some of the time to like rethink what I'm doing.
23:17
Or it's just like day by day.
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Like this is what I do.
23:20
Yeah, your brain's just, and so trigger it.
23:23
They're like, my God, they're triggering you.
23:24
That's bad.
23:25
And honestly, I look at triggering as they brought you out of autopilot.
23:29
Now, how did they bring you out of autopilot?
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It is tricky, you know, because somebody might have said something rude.
23:34
Now you're out of autopilot or somebody said something thought provoking.
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Now you're out of autopilot.
23:39
And it can be frustrating when, depending on what somebody says to you that brings you out
23:39
of autopilot, if you don't know how to respond.
23:47
that says, uh-oh, I don't have enough information in my brain to respond to this.
23:52
And ah I think that's what triggering is.
23:54
To me, it's like an electric signal to your brain to bring you out of autopilot and bring
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you into consciousness.
24:00
So when Trump became president, shit, that brought everybody out of autopilot because we
24:00
were so used to somebody that held that position, how they would speak, how they would
24:11
act.
24:11
So it was like people paid attention, but we didn't really, because we were so used to
24:15
a specific type of like demeanor and a specific type of tone of voice.
24:19
But when he came, man, he brought everybody.
24:21
He brought the whole world at autopilot.
24:23
It was like, what did he just say?
24:25
So, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, different demeanor and everything, right?
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Oh yeah, it was like, what is he saying?
24:34
Like it was, it brought everyone out of autopilot.
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You know, whether I agree with what he does or not is irrelevant.
24:39
I just know he brought everybody out of He brought the whole world out of autopilots.
24:45
Yeah, I can, I see that like, and I can totally agree with that.
24:49
And you just make me think too, it's like, I've been in therapy for some time and being
24:49
in, I just want to touch base on autopilot one more time, because I feel like it's
24:58
important.
24:59
I feel like that's why it's so hard to kind of rewire our brains to think differently
24:59
about ourselves as we're stuck in like these different ruts that we get stuck in
25:09
throughout life.
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yeah, for sure, because with therapy, I didn't blame my therapist, but when I knew therapy
25:12
wasn't enough, it's because like I said, when I met this man, I was in therapy for three
25:22
years, every single week, for three years.
25:25
So I was like, this isn't enough.
25:28
And I didn't blame my therapist or anything like that.
25:31
I was just like, I need to seek something out because I was just like, I can't.
25:37
And then I remember,
25:38
I said, can we do trauma therapy?
25:40
said, we can't do trauma therapy if you're still in the situation.
25:42
And I was like, my God.
25:44
And then when I did research, I had learned that what I went through was betrayal trauma.
25:49
And it said it takes four to five years to heal from that.
25:52
And I said, when I read that, I said, I know you fucking lying.
25:58
I am not gonna sit here and tell myself that I'm going to feel this for.
26:03
five years, and I was just like, who came up with this?
26:07
And so I just, and I feel like what helped me is actually did something that is not, like
26:07
they talk about it surface level, but I was telling my brain what happened, what is it?
26:20
I guess I was communicating with my brain and my body and I didn't know it.
26:24
And I feel like my brain started releasing.
26:28
all this information, you know, because we get what 80,000 thoughts a day.
26:34
And I feel like I just started getting all this sudden realization.
26:38
And I was thinking like, I mean, I'm probably have talked to a scientist or somebody like,
26:38
hey, what happened on a scientific level?
26:45
But I feel like it started releasing information to me of like how, of just so many things
26:45
I became aware of, where somebody told me like, you're speaking epigenetics.
26:55
And I was like, what the hell is epigenetics?
26:57
Like,
26:58
So I just felt like I had to sit with my brain and body and say, no, how the hell do you
26:58
operate?
27:04
And I was aware, I didn't let people tell me how to think.
27:08
That's a very big thing I'm starting on.
27:11
Like we can have a conversation, but if I leave the conversation and I'm feeling bad about
27:11
myself, done with that.
27:18
You know, because I don't need anything that's making me feel bad to, if it's thought
27:18
provoking, that's cool.
27:25
You know, so I just think that we lose so much faith in ourself because people want to
27:25
tell you what the hell is.
27:32
Everyone can tell you the truth about everything else except for themselves.
27:37
That's what I notice.
27:38
That's what I hear in the media.
27:40
They can tell you somebody's whole life.
27:42
Candace Owens can tell you that this woman is a man or whatever.
27:46
And I'm like, who are you?
27:48
What do you do with your children?
27:49
How come I never hear about if you play with your kids?
27:52
If you cook pancakes in the morning with them, like, you know, like who are you?
27:57
And with that type of attitude, I am very, I just kind of, I people talk, but I'm just
27:57
like, if you're not telling me who you are and this is an authentic conversation, I'm not
28:07
going to beat myself up.
28:09
I'm done with that.
28:10
Yeah.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
28:12
And it's like, it is crazy because like you're speaking in all of the media and it's like,
28:12
they can tell you everything about everything else, but it's like, I feel like people now
28:21
don't really want to talk about themselves.
28:26
And who knows why?
28:27
And it's like, and I think everybody has a story, but maybe people just don't want to air
28:27
their dirty laundries.
28:33
But some of the stuff I feel like we need to talk about.
28:36
We're gonna talk about it.
28:37
That's where I'm at in my life.
28:39
Like, we're gonna talk about it because the problem is that, like I said, I can't tell who
28:39
isn't a Jeffrey Epstein because I always hear people say I'm worried about my kid.
28:48
And I say, you know what's so ridiculous about that?
28:52
You can raise your child to have pure intentions and to be this great person until, what?
28:57
They might run into a kid that nobody cared about.
29:00
That kid could be their boss now.
29:03
That kid could be their partner.
29:05
that kid could be their teacher.
29:08
So that's why it's so important to worry about other children because you could run into a
29:08
kid that nobody cared about.
29:15
And I feel like a lot of people want to have this certain representation of this is who I
29:15
am.
29:23
But the reason why I feel like they're like that is because they don't understand brain
29:23
chemistry.
29:27
They don't understand epigenetics.
29:29
And I think if that's why I filled with my book.
29:32
Once they read it, it's gonna be, now it makes sense.
29:34
And I guarantee a lot of people are gonna be comfortable with saying what they did, but a
29:34
lot of people don't wanna talk about it, because they really can't make sense of, oh my
29:42
God, why was I having those thoughts?
29:44
Oh my gosh, delete my browser history, okay?
29:48
They're just like, because they can't make sense of why did I have those thoughts?
29:52
it's like, people are swimming in the ocean with the sharks on purpose.
29:58
They're jumping out of airplanes willingly.
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What do you mean, why did you have those thoughts?
30:03
Take a look around.
30:04
Like who hasn't lost their damn mind?
30:07
You know, a person swimming in the ocean with the sharks is considered more sane than
30:07
somebody walking down the streets on opioids.
30:15
You're swimming with sharks, like, and you're doing that sober?
30:20
I'm scared of you, pal.
30:21
Like, how are you, how are you doing that?
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That's not a conscious thought.
30:26
Your brain has hijacked you and convinced you
30:30
that swimming in the ocean with the sharks is such a big high.
30:35
Yeah, totally agreed.
30:37
And it's amazing what our brain can actually do to us to make us believe such a thing is
30:37
the high that it really, you know, that you're...
30:48
mean, every time you see somebody do something, they really can't explain.
30:53
They're like, I don't know why I did that.
30:55
And then you have the lawyers.
30:57
And that's another thing too.
30:58
Everybody talks to the dead.
31:00
I never have live conversations.
31:02
Every time somebody tells me something.
31:04
In 18 such and such, I'm like, boy, you're still talking for them?
31:09
Like, do you not realize it's 2025?
31:13
Like, I don't think that's...
31:16
We can say, hey, this what they used to do, but to keep embodying it.
31:20
And politicians are the biggest people that have to talk to the dead.
31:24
They're always saying, and I'm just like, who was conscious?
31:27
Like, I'm telling you, I'm just, once I got this awareness of brain chemistry and I sat
31:27
with myself, I got, I will say, my connection back.
31:36
And I did something I never did before.
31:38
I was like, my God, people's gonna ask me what's my religion.
31:42
And I never identified by one because my mom was Muslim.
31:45
No, my dad was Muslim and then my mom was Christian, but they weren't nice, I felt like.
31:51
Yeah, that's that seems like just a two different religions that like are far enough apart
31:51
that'd be hard growing up in to me because I'm Christian but it seems like there I don't
32:03
know it just seems like it'd be kind of a Do you feel like you're pulled one way and not
32:03
like more than the other?
32:10
because I felt like my dad's like I don't care what she said you're Muslim and then she's
32:10
like I don't care what your dad said you're Christian It was so stupid, you know, and I'm
32:18
just sitting there So I never so I would say Christian because it sounded like the correct
32:18
thing to say But then when I just got older it was like also you go to church at also and
32:27
I was like wait if I identify as that they're gonna expect me to have these expectations
32:27
and so Then I said I'm just spiritual but then I noticed what the spiritual people they
32:36
walk around like I'm spiritual and I'm like
32:39
I don't want to like, and so I did something that I was taught, well, I was never taught
32:39
to do.
32:45
And I just asked the spirit myself, what is your name?
32:48
And I heard all.
32:50
And I thought I was crazy.
32:51
Cause I was like, what the hell does that mean?
32:54
But the more I've sat and researched it, I'm like, that actually sounds correct to me.
32:58
Imagine if everybody walked around and said, just praise all.
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That would get rid of a lot of wars.
33:05
Just praise all.
33:06
Like, what are we?
33:08
You guys are all fighting about the correct name.
33:10
my goodness.
33:12
Like just, you know, I understand religious structures.
33:16
It is to help get people set of rules so they don't drift off into what you feel.
33:21
It's basically to help control your brain chemistry.
33:24
Like, hey, if you start feeling confused, just know the religion says this.
33:28
And it's like, we're all having a human experience and to tell somebody what the correct
33:28
human experience is, is why you have so many problems.
33:37
Some people become conflicted in their identity.
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I don't know who the hell isn't conflicted in their identity.
33:42
Everybody is like, and it's like you bring back up the, you brought up the religion aspect
33:42
of it.
33:50
So I'm Christian and I have a friend that's, you know, doesn't believe in God or whatever.
33:56
And, and he's like, well, you know, there's no religion or whatever.
34:00
And it's like, well, if I'm in the end, if I'm wrong, like I guess I said it the end, if
34:00
I'm wrong about my religion, dude, like
34:09
I'll be the first one to say like, okay, I was wrong, but right now I feel like being in
34:09
a, you know, religious person, it makes me, it goes back to what you were saying.
34:18
It makes me feel like a better person.
34:21
gives me a set of standards that I want to abide by to be a better person.
34:27
And I said, and I said,
34:29
the point of all social structures, actually, because Israel and Iran, they only have two
34:29
social structures, politics and the Bible.
34:36
We see how that's going.
34:37
I think that you need to have more things.
34:40
So I wouldn't say like, it's bad.
34:43
But as I said, I feel as though once enough people read this book, they're going to say,
34:43
brain chemistry, you know, like they're going to have an understanding and
34:54
I just feel like a lot of people need a set of rules or structure because nobody talks
34:54
about their thoughts out loud.
35:01
Nobody discusses their porn history out loud.
35:03
And it's like, why do I have these thoughts and feel this way?
35:07
And so this book is going to help people say, oh, like that's all I want people to say.
35:11
Like, okay.
35:13
I need to better control my brain because my brain is trying to put all these thoughts in
35:13
my head so it can get high.
35:19
So I need to figure out how to get my brain high so it won't hijack me.
35:23
You know, and suppress my decision making in order to get high.
35:28
Yeah, makes sense.
35:30
what, what do you, what are some things that, or ideas that you have that we can do as a
35:30
society to actually take control of our brain so we don't feel that ability to need to get
35:47
that high?
35:49
While I'm working on a shirt, the front of the shirt is gonna say, what's your instant
35:49
gratification?
35:54
And somebody's gonna probably say, I don't know, let's say football.
35:58
And on the back of the shirt, it's gonna say, so that's how your brain gets high.
36:01
Now on a deeper level, that person said their instant gratification is football.
36:05
So if you guys are having an argument, you better hope there's a football game on, because
36:05
that's how their brain gets high, you know?
36:13
Or if somebody says, working out.
36:15
Okay, if you guys get into an argument, that person gets frustrated, they're gonna go work
36:15
out.
36:19
They're not gonna go cheat at the gym.
36:20
They're gonna go work out.
36:22
So we need better things to help us communicate on, you know, okay, what releases the drug
36:22
in somebody's brain.
36:29
And if they don't know what releases the drug in their brain, I feel like it should be
36:29
something that doesn't involve a human connection because you could become susceptible,
36:40
unfortunately, to a lot of different things.
36:42
So, you know, like,
36:44
you have to think like, okay, how do I, at least like two things you can instantly do that
36:44
just involves you to balance those drugs in your brain.
36:52
Because if it involves another human connection, it's just like, that's gonna get tricky,
36:52
you know?
36:59
Because you're start acting like a dope head, like, where are they?
37:04
That's why you got this behavior, like, why are they acting like that?
37:07
Because the brain's trying to get high, it's looking for its drugs.
37:11
Yeah, it makes sense.
37:14
I have all sorts of like thoughts going in.
37:16
Like you've opened like this, this thing in my mind that I don't think I've ever thought
37:16
of before.
37:23
See, boom.
37:24
That's the power of the spirit whose name is all.
37:27
But overall, that's why I wrote the book.
37:29
I hope you do check it out.
37:30
I did get it on Audible and the people listening to, because if you introduce enough
37:30
thought provoking information, to me it's like the brain's excited, like, my God, okay.
37:41
Like, I feel like the brain's trying to be understood and they're trying to send out
37:41
signals to, understand me.
37:46
And the scientists are trying to come up with information for massive.
37:52
It's like, well, hold on, everybody comprehends.
37:55
Like, people are making fun of people that comprehend at a 12-year-old knowledge.
38:00
And I'm like, well, everybody was busy surviving.
38:02
So it kind of makes sense why we don't understand each other.
38:05
like, you know, we were trying to figure out how to get food or dodge this or dodge that,
38:05
you know?
38:11
And so uh with the book, as I said, I use myself as an example where I'm just as honest as
38:11
possible.
38:17
I make the language as simple as possible.
38:19
And it's not too much of a thick book.
38:21
It's a self-help book.
38:22
It's probably like this thick, just to introduce enough thought-provoking information.
38:28
That's all I want is to help people think on a deeper level.
38:32
And not only that, to just look at me like, dang, she just told a bunch of things people
38:32
don't say out loud.
38:39
And if I can do it, you can too.
38:41
Like don't run around telling everybody your sins, you know?
38:45
oh But just, I just want people to tell themselves like, okay.
38:49
That's why I had those thoughts.
38:51
That's why, like, it makes sense now and I just need to better control my brain because it
38:51
is trying to hijack me to get high.
39:01
Yeah.
39:01
And it's, it's, I'm thinking of these things now that like, I, I'm like, well that's this
39:01
probably, that's the thing that I love to go do.
39:10
Like that's probably what I, my high in life is like, for one, I love going to concerts.
39:15
And it's like, there's times where I feel like I need that connection to overcome stuff or
39:15
get out of a rut or whatever.
39:23
yeah, that's vibration, like body vibration, energy, like everything is super energetic.
39:28
And so I feel like with stuff like that, people's like, how do I get to that energy?
39:33
And the reason I'm working on making such a big enough awareness about it is because if a
39:33
hundred people know that's cool, but you need a massive amount of people.
39:42
So you can just feel that vibration all the time.
39:45
Like it feels like it's a concert every time I go outside.
39:48
People are so nice.
39:49
People are understanding.
39:50
We're not all walking around like,
39:52
we're just, we're more confident.
39:55
And that is what the book is going to do is help people become more confident.
40:01
That's really cool.
40:02
I love that.
40:05
And I just have a few more questions for you here.
40:07
What perspectives about emotions and healing do you think society gets wrong?
40:14
that there's one particular pill for everybody.
40:18
Everyone just, for instance, with their prison systems, I can't believe they don't have
40:18
breath work.
40:23
It's like they're literally in there because they didn't take time to breathe.
40:26
Like, I don't think they need to work out and heighten their animal instincts.
40:33
that's probably one thing I can say we all can agree on maybe is breath work, but anything
40:33
outside of that, I think that's the challenge they are trying to figure out.
40:41
What do we come up with?
40:42
When I say they, I'm referring to the scientists because yes, they're trying to figure out
40:42
what is it gonna take?
40:48
And now they feel the robots.
40:49
My goodness, co-pilot is okay, but it's constantly emotionally validating you.
40:54
And I'm just like, that's dangerous.
40:56
You can't constantly have your emotions valid.
40:58
They don't know what the hell they're doing.
41:00
They're trying.
41:00
They're trying.
41:05
And so with this type of stuff, feel like you're gonna always have somebody that's
41:05
skeptical and probably dismisses the connection between emotions and biochemistry.
41:14
How do you respond to the skeptic?
41:17
I would say you're one of those people that's gonna have to see a massive change.
41:20
Because you gotta know when to stop talking, I've learned too.
41:23
Because somebody will sit there and just go back and forth, back and forth, and I notice
41:23
when somebody is not trying to get a different perspective.
41:31
So I feel like I know the power of nature.
41:34
So it's like you can sit here and say nobody's gonna believe or whatever, you know, but
41:34
you're gonna be one of those people that's gonna see a massive shift and guess what?
41:42
Nature will adapt to the environment.
41:45
So that's how I look at it.
41:47
You know, it's not a large enough conversation, because I did have somebody who was an
41:47
atheist that was challenging me, like, what are you going to say to atheists?
41:53
What are you going say to atheists?
41:54
And at the time, I wasn't as full of knowledge as I am today.
41:58
And I was like, well, I wouldn't know how to respond.
41:59
And they just kept going and going.
42:00
And I was just like, you're not looking to have a conversation.
42:04
You're looking for me to give you an emotional validation that you don't want to give your
42:04
damn self.
42:11
Right?
42:11
That's the first thing I think too.
42:14
It's like...
42:14
you just want, you want somebody to be mad with you.
42:18
It's like, we're all fucking mad.
42:20
Like, we're all mad, we're all hurt, we're all confused.
42:23
We just, like, everyone just has a different style of doing it.
42:27
And we can all go yell and scream in the street, but the protesters are fucking busy doing
42:27
that.
42:33
And it's not making, like, it's not making a difference.
42:36
I mean, I haven't seen one protest, I'm sorry, that made like this great.
42:41
big difference.
42:42
anything, just like open a bigger can of worms, a bigger can of worms.
42:46
just, I don't know.
42:47
So yelling and screaming, just think isn't helping.
42:52
Yep, I totally agree.
42:54
it's like, yeah, do I think that people should have the right to protest?
42:57
Yeah, but I am not, I'm with you, I side with you on that.
43:01
I have not seen a difference that it makes ever.
43:03
It just makes it worse.
43:05
Somebody actually told me that Dr.
43:07
Martin Luther King said he thinks he made a mistake.
43:09
I said, he said that?
43:10
I was like, after he done went out there, I was like, and I just think, especially when
43:10
you have technology today, you know, cause with me promoting my book, people's like, you
43:19
need to go to networking events.
43:21
I'm like, no, I don't.
43:22
Technology is so powerful.
43:24
My words could shoot off to probably a million people overnight.
43:28
I said, okay, maybe meeting in person and stuff, but I was like, technology is, come on,
43:28
my video could travel all the way to New York.
43:36
Mm-hmm.
43:37
Yeah, it's like I have TikTok and Instagram and all these marketing techniques at my
43:37
fingertips.
43:43
Right?
43:44
I'm like, I don't, if I go to a networking event, I guess it's just to get out and
43:44
socialize, but I'm always trying to figure out how to use the internet because everyone is
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online.
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Like I believe in human connection, but as far as networking to reach a bunch of people at
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one time, yeah, definitely TikTok and TikTok really, yeah, I'm going to have to say
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TikTok, but it's really just to promote my book.
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I keep hoping that one video goes viral.
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And when people come to me, I actually have something to say.
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Because when people go viral, they're like, hey, so what do you have to say?
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And they're like, I, uh, they ain't got shit to say.
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Nothing helpful.
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Like, I'm like, what a waste.
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You have nothing to say.
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Just wanted somebody to look at you.
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Yeah, yeah, I can see exactly the point.
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it's, it's just like, no, it's,
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just, nothing helpful to say to the world.
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Just look at me.
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ugh.
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I feel like there's a lot of people though on social media that are that way.
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It's like there's no thought provoking message.
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It's trying to get attention.
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Yeah, just attention seeking behavior.
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I'm like, are they repeating what they think people want to hear?
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It's just, it's so dumb.
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I'm like, I, I'm just like, you know, now that I'm fully conscious, I'm telling you, I'm
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like, my gosh, I just had to look around, but you know, I'm like, okay, I've done this and
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promoting my book.
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Oh, so what I will say has been helpful about TikTok is
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I finally got my book on TikTok Shop and it said that I can reach out to influencers and
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offer them commission to promote my book.
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So I was like, oh my gosh, finally.
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I made a post and I said, you guys will probably never see me again on here.
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Like now that I got somebody to promote the book because I don't want to keep having these
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conversations to invoke thought.
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Like I made a post that said, do white people like fried chicken and watermelon?
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my God, it went viral.
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And I was like.
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And I was just like, so I say stuff like that because I know how to invoke a deeper
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thought, but it's mostly because I'm trying to say, Hey, I want you guys to read my book.
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you know, so, um, yeah, so I'm excited with that.
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Um, I got my shipment and, um, shipment and everything with Amazon.
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Cause I didn't know how to do the fulfillment order, but I got that going.
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I've reached out to some influencers and I'm hoping by the end of this month, like my book
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is circulating on a Tik Tok.
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Am I thinking correctly?
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So we can change this shit.
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oh
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One last question here, then it's just a few follow-up questions.
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How has this journey reshaped your definition of love itself?
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It definitely helped me, I will say I learned to really love unconditionally because even
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though this person broke my heart, I mean, I love that guy so much.
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I found the seed he came out of.
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And at first I think I was talking to a few people and I was like, I feel like I should
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not be loving him.
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And then I remember my therapist was like, why?
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was like, cause everybody's going to tell me all these reasons of why I shouldn't.
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And I just.
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I just love him and I, and that was, that was, that was thought provoking.
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It was thought provoking because he did so many things where people's like, somebody told
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me you have Stockholm syndrome.
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Here we come with the diseases now.
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Everyone's telling me, oh, you have this disease, you have that.
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I'm like, wow.
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Unconditional love means you have diseases.
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I mean, I don't think that you should stay in an abusive relationship.
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You know, if you're not trying to
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understand it.
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I think that to stay in a relationship and just say, okay, this is it, that's just how it
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is.
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Okay, that's not healthy.
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You know, because with this man, it definitely was a psychologically abusive relationship.
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And I didn't stand for it, like, okay, this is just what it is.
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But it didn't make me stop loving him.
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Because I wanted to understand why is he acting like this?
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Yeah, and I think there's a lot of people that get kind of gets like.
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trying to think of how to say it.
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In that position that you found yourself in.
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That they're,
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Great.
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It's like they want to understand the person so they stay with that person even though the
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abuse is happening.
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Yeah, and I feel like it's because they don't know your brain is trying to get high.
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And that's the thing too.
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I realized this, think the other day when I was talking to somebody, said, when did we all
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feel that big rush of being high?
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And it was when we was a baby, we weren't being held.
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so we're all trying to, and so the thing is once your brain releases a big high for the
48:31
rest of your life, it's always trying to get back to that high.
48:39
And so that's why relationships are like the biggest unhealthy thing because it's so
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familiar.
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I'm being held, I'm being kissed, I'm being caressed.
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And so it's like they're trying to overlook, hey, is this unhealthy?
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Because the brain's like, hey, I'm getting my fix.
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So you'll be all right.
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Like, you know, and they become unconscious of that.
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But I feel like if people were more aware of, for instance, the conversation we're having
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right now, my God, like if this conversation right here reached millions of people.
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Boom, they're gonna say, oh, you know, it's gonna invoke some thought.
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Yeah, totally agree.
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just see the, this is kind of just a generalized question I ask all my guests because I
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like to hear the different responses I get.
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what do you feel is the biggest stigma when it comes to mental health?
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Oh gosh, what is the fucking correct personality?
49:38
You know, I think I was, what was this?
49:41
Some show I was watching, it was this, it was a person of a different ethnicity to me and
49:41
they were saying like, oh, they had multiple personalities.
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And when I was looking at this person talk, I was like, that's probably me.
49:56
Cause I can be animated.
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I can be sophisticated.
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Does that mean so I should walk around and tell people I got eight personalities walking?
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I don't need to announce that shit.
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I don't need to announce that.
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I adapt um to different environments and it doesn't mean I'm still gonna have the same
50:08
type of conversation.
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It just might be in a different tone.
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It might be with a different personality.
50:18
And somebody can say, well, that's a trauma response because you should have, you should
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have, and everyone's telling each other of the correct goddamn way to speak.
50:26
to act, how you should make your faces.
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Get the hell out of my goddamn face.
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I'm cool with this.
50:32
You know what, I actually really love the raw energy that you bring.
50:37
I love the vibe that you have.
50:38
I think it's awesome.
50:40
Thank you, thank you.
50:42
mean, somebody has to...
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you're good you're good but being completely real like i i think it's i think you bring a
50:46
vibe and energy that's awesome
50:55
now I have to because I'm just like, I'm so sick of it.
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Honestly, I'm so honest that even my family is like, what's wrong with her?
51:02
Because they always thought like she's up to something.
51:05
I was just like, what the hell is going on with her?
51:08
Because I just felt like, um I just felt I was too, and just, I don't know, maybe it's
51:08
because I experienced enough pain, enough humiliation where I just felt like I'm tired of
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being every, I'm a product of scientist ideas.
51:22
We all are.
51:23
And I feel like as long as I have good intentions, it shouldn't matter how I'm talking.
51:30
If somebody tells me, you're kind of hurting my feelings, I don't know how it could really
51:30
hurt somebody's feelings.
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I don't really hear that.
51:37
But I'm comfortable with who I am because I know that everyone wants to feel that way.
51:44
They want to feel comfortable with themselves.
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And you know, I...
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I don't know, I just don't think there's no correct way to act.
51:53
And I think we can all learn from one another.
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And so I think that's what it is.
51:59
I'm not closed minded, I'm really open minded too.
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What does this person think?
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Because I want to understand.
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And that's what makes somebody fun and nice to be around.
52:07
Because it's like they want to understand what's going on.
52:09
They're not just walking in the building to tell everyone how they should be acting and
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how they should be talking.
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Who wants to be around that type of person?
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Nobody.
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no, at all.
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it's my theory is like, we're all different.
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I think we're all meant to be different.
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Right?
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Right?
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boring if we just all walked around and talked in the same way.
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We'd all be trying to go to different lands like, right, it's boring here.
52:34
Oh, wait, then everyone is fucking doing that, trying to go to different lands because
52:34
they get bored.
52:39
Like, OK, it's all the same.
52:40
want to, you know, the human mind is meant to experience a lot of different experiences.
52:47
Mm-hmm.
52:48
I totally agree.
52:50
Awesome.
52:51
And where can people find you?
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They can find me on TikTok by my first and last name.
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I'm Google-able now.
52:58
Google-able.
52:59
Is that a word?
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Google-able.
53:01
Google-able.
53:02
say it's, I think it's a word.
53:04
I've heard it before, so.
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I'm Google-able now.
53:08
So yeah, because I think I did that.
53:09
I had typed my name and I was like, wow, like my videos and stuff pop up.
53:12
So it's real easy to find me.
53:14
I was like, my gosh, I've made it to where you can Google me.
53:17
Now it's probably, I'm not on the news and stuff, but you know, you can Google my name and
53:17
you're going to see my picture.
53:23
Like that's her.
53:27
And is there and I'll be sure to add like all that stuff in my show notes is that when I
53:27
release this So people know exactly where to find you As our so we just we covered a lot
53:39
of ground tonight I feel like is there anything that we did not discuss that you would
53:39
like to bring up
53:45
I just feel like I want people to understand that your brain can't control you.
53:51
It can control you your whole life and a lot of pain that you experience.
53:56
It was not a conscious response.
53:58
Somebody did not truly want to inflict pain.
54:02
The mind is trying to inflict pain and even with the mind trying to inflict pain, it's
54:02
trying to figure out how to release the drugs and
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That's why, and so I just want people to grab my book so that they can say, oh, that's why
54:12
that happened to me because somebody who's truly conscious cannot invoke pain.
54:23
It's not a conscious response to invoke pain.
54:26
And I've been through a lot of it.
54:29
I have been through a lot of it.
54:31
I still cry.
54:32
I actually think crying is really powerful.
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Cause I was crying the other day and I was like, ah, ah.
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I don't know what I was crying about.
54:39
I just feel like, you know, I just like to relax.
54:41
I was just in my room and my God, the next day my friend's like, hey, let me take you to
54:41
breakfast.
54:45
I'm gonna clean your car.
54:46
I just dead.
54:47
I was just like, wow.
54:48
So something about crying, I feel like when you cry, ask God, ask your mind, ask your body
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or the essence of God or whatever what you need.
54:56
And then put in the work.
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Don't just say like, my gosh, I wish I can understand my pain.
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And then just...
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Lay there, turn on a movie and you might start seeing the movie differently or you know,
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don't ever feel like you have to stop learning.
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Being a human is hard, surprise.
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It's not easy.
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Yeah, that's for sure.
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And I agree with you.
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I feel like maybe I'll take away my masculinity here and say that I liked it.
55:22
A good cry here and there because I feel like I'm able to let out things that I've been
55:22
storing in for so long.
55:29
You know, the reason why men don't cry is that's a war tactic.
55:32
That goes all the way back to the beginning of time.
55:35
They taught the men that you were to protect and provide because if men were really in
55:35
tune with their emotions, do you think we'd have soldiers?
55:44
You wouldn't.
55:44
So they had to numb the men into don't cry.
55:48
If men were, if they said, okay, you can cry, they couldn't go over there and do all those
55:48
things they're doing.
55:55
Yeah.
55:55
why men are taught protect and provide.
55:57
And they're like, don't cry, don't cry.
55:58
And it's like, they don't even know that was programmed into you in case somebody needs
55:58
you for their war.
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Yep, I totally agree.
56:07
Well, Izmina, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
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Thank you for having me.
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Well, I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation.
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And like I said, I love the raw energy that you bring and the vibe that you have.
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I absolutely love it.
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And I love what you're doing, very thought provoking.
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Thank you, thank you.
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